anything done. that's our primary purpose. >> i think the latter of that is certainly true. it goes back to mitch mcconnell's opening salvo on the night of the inauguration where they got together and said, you know, one-term president. so, yeah, i think that's the political operative or operation of this whole thing. >> is that a party-building move for your side? >> i don't think it's a party-building move. as chairman, one thing i always wanted to do was contrast what we philosophically believed, what our principles were against the policies and the direction that the president wanted to take the country. that, i think, is a fair debate to have. and people of, you know, all stripes can agree or disagree. but when you just do the political, without some level of work, i mean, gingrich and clinton worked it out. they got some good things done. reagan and tip o'neill fought like cats and dogs on policy, but they found a way to work it out. this kind of stalemate is not good. the people in the country don't want it. i think the party long term could hurt itself with a lot of voters. >> i want to get back to that. i think the republican party has a two-strike goal. reduce the electoral. tactical, maybe strategic. then other part of it is, don't let this president be a hero to anybody. >> well, it's not working, though. >> isn't it? i'm wondering.